Saturday, March 26, 2016

Exposing Rip Off Report
Indian Complaints Board
Consumer Complaints Board 

From time to time we hear someone asking us about something they've read on Rip off Report owned and operated by ED Magedson , to which many consider to be a scam site in itself.  Here's a link about ED and his site of ROR in what other businesses have to say about him and their personal interactions with him at , not very complementary if you ask me. 

Here's four more links that goes into all the shady things Ed Magedson has been accused of according to many, many other other businesses and private folks alike in these links here at: and and lastly, .

All right let's get ready to show ED Magedson and rip off reports for who and what they really are by checking out this link of: in where rip off report states and I quote: Ripoff Report® is a worldwide consumer reporting Web site and publication, by consumers, for consumers, to file and document complaints about companies or individuals. While we encourage and even require authors to only file truthful reports, Ripoff Report does not guarantee that all reports are authentic or accurate .” ,end quote.

Even though, ROR is found on the web it's hardly a greatly respected or globally acclaimed web site and further, I will venture to say that it is probably one of the most hated sites in the world for the obvious reasons however, like any other online operators operating a LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY that sells products, rip off reports tries to sell it's services in a unethical or scamming way according to many. 

Rip off report states that it's a consumer reporting agency yet, I highly doubt in my personal opinion that it's a official consumer reporting agency as it claims to be as it's not governed by any state or federal ordnance.  To consider ror as a consumer reporting agency is like seeing the“ National Enquirer”as a reporting agency.  Rip off report is just a site for the consumers entertainment or worse yet, a gripe site to where no real help is available for the consumer.

A forum that offers a fertile ground for complaints that encourages statements from angry or disgruntled customers, employees or companies that might make statements that aren't true on a site that doesn't fact check its reports.  As far as ROR statements go in being a world wide publication, I would question ED Magedson's opinion of what his site actually is simply because, real publications are fact checked many times over before publishing any story.

I would say that his use of the word and phrase of “world wide publication” is just another word for web site that has material posted on it daily from other third party people venting their displeasure with whomever, a gossip and bitching column of sorts.  Post made by the site itself or by others that may, or may not be true or accurate without fault, a site that tells you straight up that they can't guarantee that all their posted reports are accurate or even true simply because and again, they don't have the resources to fact check the reports made on this particular site.

Here's what the U.S.  Constitution says about libel or slander and I quote In Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. (1974), the Supreme Court decided that there is "no constitutional value in false statements of fact". [5] However, this is not a concrete rule as the Court has struggled with how much of the "speech that matters" can be put at risk in order to punish a falsehood. [6] The Supreme Court has established a complex framework in determining which types of false statements are unprotected.

[7] There are four such areas which the Court has been explicit about. First, false statements of fact that are said with a "sufficiently culpable mental state" can be subject to civil or criminal liability. [8] Secondly, knowingly making a false statement of fact can almost always be punished. For example, libel and slander law are permitted under this category.
Third, negligently false statements of fact may lead to civil liability in some instances. [9] Additionally, some implicit statements of fact—those that may just have a "false factual connotation"—still could fall under this exception." end quote .

Why is ED Magedson and ROR allowed to publish possible libel material coming from unknown posters without fact checking the posted statements about other companies and private individuals?  Here's the reason as follows in “The official Communications Decency Act”at: while at the same time, removing himself and and his site of ror from any liability for the liable content that someone else might post against another person or company in citing : 

U.S.C. § 230(c)(1) states, "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider"  however, according to the citing below from the same federal Decency Act above, it also suggest that the interactive site such as rip off report have a responsibility to offer the public a way in preventing minors espouser to its content or access to the forum itself yet, this is not the case on ror as far as I can tell. 

(d) Obligations of interactive computer service , A provider of interactive computer service shall, at the time of entering an agreement with a customer for the provision of interactive computer service and in a manner deemed appropriate by the provider, notify such customer that parental control arrow-10x10.png protections (such as computer hardware, software, or filtering services) are commercially available that may assist the customer in limiting access to material that is harmful to minors. Such notice shall identify, or provide the customer with access to information identifying, current providers of such protections.

Check out this linked opinion at : and Cyberbulling for profit at that pretty much gives us the impression that rip off report is more about profit over just providing a good clean and ethical service that protects children and the public alike.  Why would someone have to post a provision of the Communications Decency Act on their site to protect themselves against being sued for liable if their a honest ethical site?  I mean, if their over all intentions were good and honorable they wouldn't, right ?

Especially when, their sole expressed and conveyed statement made to the public comes off as sounding like they are there to serve the public in a good and honest way by posting truthful information to help consumers yet, rip off report doesn't and won't block or remove lying or misleading information once it's brought to the sites attention and why?  Because ror is a opportunist site that makes a lot of money on libel and slander verses a good ethical site, that is compelled by moral conscience to do so for free.

Rip off report charges a $2,000.00  fee to altar or redact a libel post against a person or company and in my thinking, that would give rip off report motive and incentive in allowing persons to post libel material against others, would it not ? The more lies posted on people on ror, the more companies come around to pay in having the libel or negative post removed, right?  Rip off reports profits off of the misfortunes ands misery of others.

XXAgain, Rip Off Report is a LLC and or a small Internet company like any other company as far as I know, an LLC company without special ties to any government agencies that encourages people to tell the truth but what happens when folks make untruthful posts against others?  People that just have a hateful grudge in making posts on rip off report that are liable?  I again quote rip off report as stating: Read what you can and make your decision based upon an examination of all available information” end of quote. 

So in essence, what ED is telling us in this paragraph can be construed as he can't guarantee that what your reading on his site is either true or factual information or to put it another way, fact from libel, truth from lie yet, he asks you to read it anyway to draw your own conclusions from what your reading be it true or false and thus, if a reader of the complaint posted on rip off report isn't familiar with the company or private individual that has been posted on in a truthful or accurate way, then they just might assume the worst if their reading false or libel information about that other person or company, correct?

And I quote rip off report as stating Your Ripoff Report will be discovered by millions of consumers! Search engines will automatically discover most reports, meaning that within just a few days or weeks, your report may be found on search engines when consumers search, using key words relating to your Ripoff Report ” end quote.  So, a poster can make a post on anyone they like for free and then, have it spammed all over the web without having the content of their post checked for accuracy of fact while the author of the post, hides behind anonymity no less. 

In summery, ED Magedson of rip off report provides a forum in where anyone can assume an account, obtain a fictitious name and location, make a post be it truthful or lie without ever being fact checked to make sure it is a creditable post coming from a truthful person and moreover, a libel or creditable post that will be spammed under someone's personal name, or companies business name, that are often times not aware of the negative post made against them by a disgruntled person hiding behind a fake user name and location. 

XX And I quote rip off report stating “ Helping you, the consumer... Search the Ripoff Report before you do business with retail stores with bad return policies, checking & credit theft, rebate fraud or other unscrupulous business policies such as phony auto repairs, auto dealer bait-and-switch tactics, restaurants with bad service or food, corrupt government employees & politicians, police corruption, home builders, contractors, unethical doctors & lawyers, online stores that sell non-existent products, dead beat dads & moms, landlords & tenants, fraudulent employment & business opportunities, and individual con artists who scam consumers” .

So basically, this is a open forum in where any disgruntled person can go to vent their anger be it a truthful or a lying statement against anyone they choose and again, someone can make a really nasty complaint against everyone from a little school girl or the President of the United States. 

Here I go quoting rip off report again: Filing a class action lawsuit & notifying the authorities Many law firms and law enforcement agencies utilize Ripoff Report to aid in their investigations of business practices. By filing a report, your information may aid in pursing civil or criminal proceedings against companies engaged in wrongdoing. Ripoff Report has been contacted by almost every state Attorney Generals office, U.S. Postal Inspectors office, the Justice Department, Homeland Security, FBI, FTC and local and state authorities, including those in Canada, UK, Australia, and other government agencies around the world end quote.

XX I don't doubt that many law enforcement agencies are contacting ED Magedson and his site of rip off report, but I don't think their contacting rip off report regarding other companies engaged in wrong doing more so, then trying to serve and arrest ED Magedson himself as you can read on these links below at: and . ED has evaded capture over the years according to some by moving around a lot, just like a terrorist would do.

XX Quoting rip off report “ often the media is interested in the reports you filed and ask us to assist in their investigations giving you the publicity needed to help your cause. In the event your Ripoff Report is of interest to the media, we will put you in contact with them. We also supply story ideas along with victim information to every network and most local affiliates and to every major TV News Magazine including Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours, 60 Minutes, Inside Edition, W2 Canada, CNN, along with most major news papers including, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Money, Inc. and hundreds of others , end quote .

Quite honestly, I contacted ED Magedson on and off from 2007 to 2011, and he never offered us any media contact information or otherwise gave us any helpful information concerning legal firms that could help in resolving a issue that we had with a online troll posting on rip off report, an issues that ED Magedson was very well aware of but choose to to little or nothing about.

A troll that filed numerous frivolous lawsuits against innocent companies in New York that she further tried to settle out of court with but got nothing, a troll that I had spoken to him about personally on several occasions that made 64 negative libel master posts on our small business over the years and lastly, a troll records that provided court documented proof that she had a 20 yea history of cyber stalking, slander, liable, harassment, criminal assault, criminal contempt, mental illness and otherwise.

I've seldom if ever heard media report anything positive about rip off report but on the other hand, I have seen many media agencies run uncomplimentary stories on ED Magedson and rip off reports, including CNN and Fox news

Quote “ national TV networks and several local TV stations from all around the country come to the Ripoff Report for information”. end of quote. This is the opinion of Magedson and there's really nothing showing verifiable proof of this statement coming from ror and again, I don't see any associations between the media and the company of ror on any level via my extensive searches on the internet looking for any associations between rip off report and theses the news agencies, new agencies that he attempts to link himself to in a effort to give his presence more credibility on the web.

However, I will say that the media he mentions on his site of ror being and I quote “ TV News Magazine including Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours, 60 Minutes, Inside Edition, W2 Canada, CNN, along with most major news papers including, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Money, Inc” end of quot, has perhaps at some point in time and throughout the years reported on his illegal involvement and participation in a murder trial regarding his alleged witness tampering, witness tampering he is currently accused of by the court in the death of his worst critic on the Internet whom was killed by his wife, a wife that received a life sentence.

So in essence, ED Magedson is name dropping in a big way, a earnest attempt on his part to use the very media agencies who may have reported on his negative and unlawful ventures of the past. ED does this apparently, in a effort to turn his negatives into positives by associating himself with the media and or, to better his own reputation by seeking credibility in riding off the coat tail of the media as it appears. ED Magedson doesn't tell the full story past him just saying that he has a positive working relationship with the media in question to which, I see no proof of on the Internet, or in public records.

It's true in that, ED does afford businesses and private individuals alike a chance to defend themselves on rip off report in that, the business or private person can make a rebuttal against the ghost poster of the negative content under their anonymous name and location, but what he doesn't tell you is that, by making the rebuttal it only increases the exposure of the negative post report on the search engines along with your response to it and so, your damned if you don't defend yourself and damned if you do defend yourself when it comes to the negative content that ROR allows on site. 

Quoting rip off report :“We also supply story ideas along with victim information to every network and most local affiliates and to every major TV News Magazine including Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours, 60 Minutes, Inside Edition, W2 Canada, CNN, along with most major news papers including, NY Times, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Money, Inc. and hundreds of others”, end quote.

I don't know how true this statement is as I've never seen any victims on rip off reports being featured on any news broadcast over the years however, I have seen a few victim businesses of ror telling their stories on mainstream media channels and moreover, which is it ? Does ED Magedson protect the consumers private information, or does he devluge it to the media either with, or without someone's consent. By the way, what exactly is a “story ideas”? This could be taken as something fictional and made up and or, the altering of fact in a given event.

Quoting rip off report “ If you want to do more than file a rebuttal, you might consider using Ripoff Report’s VIP Arbitration Program . The arbitration program gives you the opportunity to prove, through a neutral third-party arbitrator, that the report about you is false. Ripoff Report developed the program in response to phone calls and emails from businesses like you -- those who have worked hard to create a good reputation and are having that reputation unjustly tarnished because of a false posting on Ripoff Report. end of quote.

So, ED Magedson is admitting here that he is aware that some posts on rip off report are libel reports and or, not totally truthful against a person and company, he states that libel reports exist as he had previously stated above quoting: those who have worked hard to create a good reputation and are having that reputation unjustly tarnished because of a false posting on Ripoff Reportend of quote.

So my question is, if a person has written libel trash about a company or individual behind a fictitious user name then how would any advocacy program help anyone?  Simply because, the person posting the lie knows their lying and won't come forward as this is the whole point behind anonymity on Ed's site, right ? 

I mean, it's about saying, writing anything you want about anyone you want without them ever knowing you said or wrote it and so again, why would they want to face you?  Especially when they in fact know that they are lying about a person or company in a effort to tarnish a reputation? So in short, it just comes down to paying ED a lot of money to redact a negative report on you, not delete it, but altar it to a small degree.

XXQuoting rip off report Because Ripoff Report has never had the internal resources to investigate reports that a business claims is false , it has always permitted the subject of the report to file its own, free, Rebuttal. But some of you feel that is not enough. You have asked for more. You want the ability to prove it is false. You want an independent investigation. Perhaps most importantly, you want the false statements of fact removed. We listened to your concerns and launched VIP Arbitration in response”. end quote.

Well, ED has stated over and over again that no post will ever be removed no matter what and the best that anyone can hope for after paying out a lot of money through his offered programs is that, the header of the report will be changed, the on site arbitrator will find a company or person innocent or guilty and yet after all this, the negative report will remain on air regarding Internet snapshot with additional activity in which, will only cause the whole mess to rank even higher on the Google and Yahoo search engines for all to read under a persons or companies name, even though they say the negative report statements will be redacted.

My question would be why?  Why would anyone want an investigation coming from a site that was responsible in publishing the trash statements of someone else in the first place against a company or private person and the answer is, you got me.  ED also would have us believe that his arbitrators have extensive experience and or, implies that his arbitrators have experience as real practicing judges in a court room yet, who are these arbitrators? 

We never spoke to anyone like this in our experience over the years in speaking to ED, just encouragement coming from him in attempting to get us to engage in his advocacy program that we repeatedly refused, we refused and told him that we weren't paying out one red cent for the removal of libel posts against us.

Really, all we received from ED was a request for money and or, suggestions that we go through his advocacy program, and that's it. I think it's time for ED to put his money where his mouth is concerning real ways to resolve libel statements on his site against other private individuals and companies without charging anyone anything and why?  Because he says he's interested in justice right?  Or is he?
And then of course, there's the initial filing fee of $2,000.00  for the arbitrator he provides. 

So, who are these Arbitrators?  ED would need to prove who they are to the public via providing the public at large with their posted qualifications and résumés, make known the name of the complainant and further, who the money is actually paid to, or where actually ends up, and how much money he receives out of the deal, don't you agree ?

XXQuoting rip off report The arbitrator then reviews all of the submissions and renders a written decision. In the event that the arbitrator determines that the challenged statements of fact in the Report are true, there will be no updates or changes to the website. If the Arbitrator finds that statements in the Report are false, the title of the Report will be updated, posting this phrase BEFORE the original title: "Notice of Arbitrator Decision: A neutral and independent arbitrator has determined that the following Report contained one or more false statements of fact. The false statements have been redacted." A summary of the arbitrator’s decision will be posted after the title and before the original content of the report. Any statements of fact that the arbitrator determines to be false will be removed (((REDACTED))) from the original report” end of quote.

Ok, rip off report is basically saying that all the trash posts made on a person or company will never be removed that is, unless you go through a in-house rip off report justice system and pay out $2,000.00 or more to this unknowable person sitting in judgment of you and then, should this person like you, and enough money has been paid out to them, then all the negative false statements will be redacted through the VIP Arbitration Program or Corporate Advocacy. 

Why are complaints filed on ROR against private Individuals to start with? You know, people that have never owned a business anywhere or at anytime, people who just work full time jobs whom are not employers nor do they have any superiority over others in the work place?  Yet, here remains a site in where someone in grade school can get up there on this forum to harass, badger, and libel another minor, adult or business even though, ror has a little box you can check to confirm that your 18 or older that never really, confirms the age of the poster, just a thought. 

Again quoting Rip Off Report DOING BUSINESS WITH THE COMPANY OR INDIVIDUAL REPORTED Consumers, just because a company or individual is reported on Rip-off Report does not necessarily mean you should not do business with them. In many cases, it’s just the opposite. Just because a company is posted on Rip-off Report does not mean they are "bad". At some point in time, everyone has felt like they've been ripped off, when that may not have been the case. Not everything published on the Internet, or local newspapers, or local TV news is always true. end quote.

Ok, I have to give it to ED here as he is again, telling everyone that some statements on rip off reports aren't true and that just because someone posted trash on the site of ror against a company or person, this doesn't mean that it's true or that you shouldn't deal with that company or person.

In the following statement of rip off report and quoting ror “ Let the reported business know you’ve read complaints about them, that you would like to do business with them, and get affirmation from the company that if you do business with them, they will do right by you. Let them know that if they treat you right, you will log on to Rip-off Report and tell the world what a great experience you’ve had” end of quote, this all most never happens in that people return back to rip off report to make positive comment about your company.

Good companies will treat you right anyway without confronting them with a negative post written by a unknown person with unproven accusations that you've found on a site like ror.  Just a side note here, you judge a company or service according to the products or services they offer period and NOT by some online trash that's been posted about the company itself. 

If a company doesn't hold up to their end of the bargain then, there's always the federal trade commission at: to file a complaint with that will bring justice to your situation. Rip off report claims to be a lot of things on air, claims that it can do a lot of things for folks if the price is right, offers itself as a makeshift online justice system that apparently falls short for the few that can pay and ignores the many who can't.  ROR is not the court system or law enforcement and has no connections to it as far as I know.

The court system is the court system and a LLC web site, is only another online limited liability company business like ror trying to generate income through what many companies on the internet concede to be, using unethical business practices. 

In the quote below, ED and or, ROR is asking that a person never call the company while demanding satisfaction of their complaint least that person report the company on rip off report and further states that, they should file a permanent complaint on ror first and then send a fax to the company.  Well, who's to say that if the person did contact the company that their complaint would be satisfied as most companies are really good about this. 

To post a complaint on ROR is to put company or person on the spot sure enough but more so, yields ror an opportunity in making money off a bad situation and lastly, a situation that will seldom if ever, give anyone but ror and those in with him satisfaction through monetary gain. So in short, go to the company first, then the federal trade commission if that doesn't work if your serious about solving your legitimate complaints and not the other way around. Again, read what is stated on ror in the following quote below.

Quoting rip off report at “ YOU MUST NOT call them threatening to file a report if they do not comply with your demands, as this may be construed as blackmail! You must first file a Ripoff Report, then fax them a copy, offering them a chance to rectify the wrong that they did to you. Explain that then, and only then, you will UPDATE your Ripoff Report in a positive way, if deserved”, End of quote.

Reputation management sites and online attorneys are basically a huge waste of time and money as the attorneys and law firms, end up making the money without ever really being successful in suing for online liable and slander why?  Because of the first amendment even though, liable and slander aren't protected speech under this amendment according to the United States Constitution .

These cases aren't usually successful simply because there are no big fees to be gained for the legal firms and thus they won't take the case especially if, there's some mentally ill person with no resources to sue for damages.  The reputation management companies are useless as well according to this article in Forbes at: , useless and quite  possibly working with sites like rip off report and if this is true, there's the real scam.

ED on the other hand, claims to be a upstanding law abiding citizen of the United States whom only wants to “help consumers avoid being scammed” but here's a rather disturbing federal warrant for his arrest issued and active in 2014 at this link provided for you here at : es. 

It's really alarming because it implies, or suggest that ED Magedson is engaged in a lot of different unlawful things that you would never expect coming out of a legitimate web site or its owner yet, some fair warning for you as this thing is long however be patient when reading through it because it really shows you the character of Mr. Magedson because  it highlights his personality by outlining some of the activities the state and federal government is currently accusing him of in this  active federal warrant. 

Now, I thought this page to be particularly interesting to read being the “Internet Defamation: A Case Blog” at this link of : because it really caught my attention when the author stated that,  “There is current evidence that Magedson actually paid a troll who was publishing content on Ripoff Report to include photos of minors because he was ‘angry’ with the children’s father. ” end of quote. 

I found it interesting because we ourselves, thought the same thing at the time we were being attacked by a troll that cared nothing about the facts and why?  Because when we refused to pay Magedson to correct the libel problem about us taking place on his site it only got worse, it got worse because the Troll harassing and taunting us posted even more trash speech against us to which, fell on Magedson's deaf ear when we complained about it. 

Of course, we've had existing negative libel reports on us starting back in 2007 from this troll to the current date of 2015, I've often wondered if ED was using a particular troll against us by the name of Mary Prantil from Astoria New York, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I've also wondered who these rip off report monitors are on Ed's site, the same monitors that seem to stir conflict by posting nasty comments against both sides of the dispute to keep it going, it must be a pretty good job for these same site monitors to stay with rip off reports for seven and eight years straight but perhaps, the monitors are just another name for ED Magedson and the mentioned trolls he possibly uses according to the Authors statement above. 

So, by the preponderance of both the legal fast and the the evidence we have collected on ED and his site of rip off report, we have concluded ED Magedson is wanted on criminal felony charges and he's running from the law rather then working with the justice system. 

We've noticed that one of the news channels being CNN and other media outlets aren't promoting him rather then warning the public against him and or, reporting on people whom have opened up lawsuits against him and lastly, people who have been sued for posting libel content on rip off report against legitimate companies. 

All this gives me reason to believe that ED Magedson isn't above witness tampering in a homicide case and has threatened and bullied private persons and companies according to a federal set of criminal charges against him not leaving out, the federal search warrant filed by the government to go after his hard drives and computers. 

Mr. Magedson, has been accused of fraud, extortion bullying, posting personal information and overall, grossly unethical business practices but last but not least, he has a whole slew of bad reviews on his personal character and web site that you can view just by punching in the name Ed Magedson, should you decide to go and see page after page of bad reviews or consumer complaints against him and his site.

By the way, if ED posted every complaint that comes in through his site of ror then how come no one ever sees any complaints posted on him personally or his site?   Magedson states that he doesn't remove reports but apparently he does when it comes to negative reports about himself and lastly, in some of the links offered you can see where ror was forced to take down reports via legal pressure according to the author of that page.

My questions at this point would be, if ED Magedson is so on the up and up, and an all around good guy as he proclaims to be, a good guy out to help the public and or to save everyone from being scammed then why, is he hiding out from law enforcement and the courts?  Why don't we see positive reviews on him in social media and over the mainstream media? 

And lastly, why is he being sued constantly for the libel posts on his site of rip off report? That he in so many words admits to knowing about But there again, nice guys take down lying posts without charging people hundreds of thousands of dollars to do it like ED charges, wouldn't you agree?  Sure you do, because your a nice person that doesn't believe in ripping people off or taking advantage of another person’s misery.

Why are official state and federal sites rebuking him and or don't seem to know about the past warrants filed against ED?  Why are his old criminal records being posted and circulated everywhere online?  Really, just on the circumstantial evidence not alone the factual court records and warrants, I would have to conclude that rip off report is not only a dangerous site but like its owner ED Magedson, is not a credible source to find out about anything especially  a legitimate business that your considering doing business with. 

Below, are just a few of the links you may wish to read should you be inclined to still think that the site of rip off reports and its owner Ed Magedson are a good sources to obtain your information from even after reading the links above. You know, most of the businesses online provide their business addresses, addresses that they have had for years.

ED Magedson doesn't provide his business address that goes directly to him or his home residence and or, why does he insist on meeting reporters in fast food joints instead of a news studio, or in his home like other people of media interest do?  Quote: “Get a company or individual listed on Top Ripoff Report Links If there are more than five (5) Reports filed from different consumers on a company or individual then you can request they be added to the list. Ripoff Report will verify that the Reports are filed by different people” , end quote.

I find this statement of great interest as Magedson knows that people like Mary prantil at has been up on ror posting libel content on our business and private names under sixty plus fictitious names for seven years now yet, I don't see him combining all theses negative reports under one fictitious or real name on ror, libel reports that show up at the top of the search engines under our names under her different user names and locations that are all obviously coming from the same author. 

But again, he is now willing to collect five different posted complaints on a company or private person via IP confirmation that he has and keeps whenever anyone posts on his sites and then, put these unsubstantiated reports up at the top of his scam listings so that they will show up at the top under whomever's name on the Google engines, how strange is this ?

In closing, yes, from time to time we have a few here and there contacting us wondering why our name?  Like so many other companies are plastered all over rip off reports to which invokes questions from these few people like “are you a scam?”, “are you real?” and “what about all these posts on you I've been reading?” And so, here's our explanation in this post.

Yes, we are the real thing, we are real people and and the negative posts that people see posted on us featured on the gripe sites under master reports, are fake and designed to scam businesses and private people out of their hard earned money. In fact, these gripe sites can be likened to to just about any other scam and or confidence game you see on the web.  Jan and myself have been on the Internet for at least 20 years and 18 of those years under the same site names, web addresses and personal names.

We offer over 200 pages of magical information geared specifically for the consumer to read and become familiar with concerning both our magical system and our spiritual philosophy.  We are a site that doesn't give into online terrorism or scams from others looking to make money off us through attempting to tarnish our reputations.

We are a site that thinks turn about is fair play and so, we believe that people should start asking these gripe sites like rip off report some serious questions about themselves before they start taking what ror states at face value about other companies, don't you agree ? Sure you do because your a smart consumer and no bodies fool as far as were concerned verses the gripe  sites just thinking that your going to believe anything that they tell.

We are the largest and one of the oldest magick sites on the Internet who offers any inquiry our licensing information and if checked out by the possible client, they will find that we are in high standing with the state of Idaho, we offer client references from both current and past clients whom are completely happy and satisfied with our work and lastly, we speak with and counsel our clients one on one throughout our spell process and further, won't leave them until they are completely happy with their spell results.

Our general spell prices are all listed on our sites and we won't come up with lame excuses in a effort to bleed you out for more money and or in other words, we only charge you one time for the spell work and stay with you for as long as it takes.  So with all of this now you know first hand what were about.

The problem with some folks on the web is that they don't like to read yet  reading is what keeps them from being scammed.  It is through the reading of a site that one becomes familiar with that site and their services offered however, if a person isn't reading anything and doesn't become familiar with a spell process then how can they be certain that their getting into the right service?  They can't and typically walk away feeling scammed and lost for the simple reason that they were too lazy to read or just did not feel like reading.  Knowledge is power the old saying goes.  

Scam sites won't offer the potential client a online book being a web site of 200 plus pages, scam sites certainly won't offer you their business license information because often times, they have no license, scam sites won't offer you the counseling services needed because they don't care if your spell work works out for you or not.  Scam sites won't show you pictures of their past or present spell work and or, should you see some pictures they will be cheap looking or will be someone else's pictures.

Scam sites won't allow you to speak to their past clients simply because, their past clients have reported them to law enforcement for scamming them, scam sites won't keep the same site addresses, email addresses or cell numbers for years and why?  Because people catch on after a while and so the scammers have to move on in hiding their identities, we don't hide anything and transparency is daily protocol with us.

So, with all this in mind don't always believe the negative smearing online that you might read about a person or company because there are a lot of morally bankrupt people out there that like to bad mouth others so they can scam folks, or attempt to tarnish the reputation of another so they can drive people back to their sites, such as the magic scam sites that speak against one form of magical practice or make spell guarantees.

And lastly, please beware of sites like rip off report, consumer complaints board, Indian complaints board as these are sites that basically extort monies from businesses by encouraging people to post nasty and untrue comments and then charging business to remove these libel or hateful post, in my opinion. These sites aren't there to help anyone as you really never see any resolution taking place on them, just heated discussions that lead no where that doesn't help the public or the business in question. Take your time and read this post and then like rip off report says, make your own INFORMED decision.

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